The whole thing is still a little uncomfortable for me, but it touches me very deeply that MAC paid attention to the commentary, responded, and is looking into making an actual impact with this collection. I primarily buy MAC cosmetics because they fit my style, but also because they are an amazingly socially conscious company I am happy to give my money to (Viva Glam first and foremost of course - the #1 non-pharmaceutical donor to AIDS charities in the world; their "all ages all races all sexes" inclusiveness, lack of animal testing, etc). I'm glad they are backing that up. I look forward to hearing more from them.
Agreed completely. I am looking forward to seeing where this goes from here, but it does make me feel good to see a company giving a non-canned response to what could be a very heated issue. Now this could be because it's Christine was bringing this to their attention and not just one of of every day non-bloggers, but all the same, the point was made.
I have read some of it but still don't know enough to truly comment on the subject. Before reading all the comments in different places, I found the names to be odd to begin with. I didn't find the promo pic all that appealing either.
After reading comments on here and on other sites and seeing why people feel the way they do about the collection (again I can't form my opinion because i still feel i don't know enough about the entire thing) I am glad to see they will be donating a portion of profits to help
I have always been impressed w/ MAC's sense of community and social responsiblity - with their recylcing program as well as Viva Glam. I am happy that they are donating part of the profits to this cause as well.
While I can see both sides of the issue, I still find the thought process behind this collection off putting; plus, I so dislike that promo picture. :D
Here's my thoughts. Call me stubborn, but I see this as a simple, damn, we got caught, let's try to do something about it now.
Because honestly, if such a big deal was not made, would MAC be donating money? I'd like to think the answer is no. Simply because they knew exactly the inspiration behind the collection before they did the collaboration and they had to know the history of it all.
Now had they come out up front and said that from the beginning they intended to donate the proceeds of this collection to help awareness or whatever on this situation, then yes, that would be sincere. But that was never their intention. They never said this collection was to raise awareness or try to help the situation, or anything. They plain put out a collection said by the designers themselves to be inspired by the violence. Or am I the only one who read this,'We are truly saddened about injustice in Juarez and it is a very important issue to us. The M·A·C collaboration was intended as a celebration of the beauty of the landscape and people in the areas that we traveled.'
For those of you who argued that it's a collection to celebrate the colors of Mexico, you keep on believing that if you want. But the fact is, Mexico is huge and to celebrate it's colors, why not choose more festive, more well known and beautiful places like, I don't know, say Guadalajara, Acapulco, etc. But if that's what you believe, I'm not here to argue with you, so just keep on truckin' I guess.
And I swear, I've been trying to stay out of these conversations, so this will be my last statement. Really!
To anyone who was/is offended by this collection's lack of taste, good for you.
And to anyone who thinks that people taking it harshly are just getting their panties in a twist, good for you, too.
I'm not here to judge anyone for feeling or thinking a certain way. But I do find it offensive when discussion turns into, OMG you're wrong, or OMG you're so dumb, etc.
I feel a certain way and don't expect anyone else to agree. The same way I don't expect to change anyone else's mind. I don't think any more or any less about anyone who chooses to voice their opinions, be it in contradiction to mine or not. That's what makes this country so great, isn't it?
Don't worry I have no idea either. I saw Christine writing stuff about it on her FB page but only about the drama that followed, not the issue itself. So yeah, I'm lost.
Okay, so I think the MAC response addresses the issue in basically the exact way they needed to cover their asses, haha. But it is good they are going to give some of the money to the cause.
Rodarte's, however, is seriously puzzling and seems to be answering a totally different question. "Uhh, we went on this road trip in Texas that really inspired us, so we decided to make a collection about Mexico"?? TEXAS =/= MEXICO, dudes. Weird.
Plus it's the most hideous, unfitting promo pic ever for a MAC collection.
I'm going to assume if they have promo pics, they already went into production with the collection. That means it's probably too late to scrap the collection from a business standpoint (would they if it were not made? who knows) so it was either do a CYA or nothing at all. I suppose between the two, I am happiest with their decision.
No kidding about the promo pic, though. I know a lot of MAC's promo pic's are not "wearable" makeup (things you would go out every day in) but it was just such an... unsettling picture (which appears to be straight off the runway of the Rodarte clothing show)
I had no idea what was going on with this collection until several anonymous people left messages on my blog stating that I am a murderer and that I support violence against women (damn!!!). I thought I was supporting eyeliner, blush, mascara and foundation never murder. I am a MAC addict and the MAC collections posted on my blog are there because I Love MAC. I really hate being put in the middle of something like this. I think this is a bad idea. There are so many other collections that MAC can do and there is no need to do this. Bad Idea
As someone who helps and advocates for people who have suffered injustices at the hand of the others, I feel that, whether intentionally or not, Mac/Rodarte have done a great service to the individuals affected by this issue.
Honestly, who believes anyone would do anything like this for a negative/offensive goal? It may have not been the most well thought out, or the most politically correct way to show their feelings towards a heated problem, but what everyone doesn't realize is how much attention they have encouraged to bring this injustice to light.
Unfortunately today, screaming at the top of your lungs that something is wrong or needs to be fixed does little to actually fix a problem. Just reading the comments on Temptalia and the comments here, you are all now informed of a wrong doing going on that you would have otherwise never known.
The group I fight for had very little support at the beginning. A political official made a negative comment towards our organization that cause outrage and hatred from some of our members. Little did they know that over the next few months, we'd see more support (emotional, mental AND financial), then we'd ever see in the entire group's existence. At the time it seemed like the biggest blow, biggest insult ever, but what most people don't know is it was the biggest blessing in disguise because it made our voices and our cause that much louder.
Sometimes you need to outrage and offend people to get them motivated to do the right thing. Now whether that was either of their motives..that's a different story.
For all those claiming they won't support or will ban the collection, I hope all the money you don't give MAC goes towards supporting those people affected, otherwise your actions are meaningless.
I really think the whole thing was blown out of proportion. I don't think the maker's of the collection had any intention of belittling the suffering of the people in Juarez. Maybe it's not the most politically correct thing to do, but I don't feel like creative people who are building a collection built on inspiration (wherever they derive it from) should have to walk on eggshells and worry about being completely PC. Art is inspired by violence, war, political injustice, etc. all the time.
The way I feel is that they're not doing any injustice to the people who have suffered in Juarez by naming a nailpolish after the city. Yes, I do think MAC is donating part of the proceeds now to cover their asses, but a good deed is a good deed. It doesn't seem like there was any harm meant in it.
I agree with those who said donate your money to orginizations such as Voces sin Eco if you want to help, not buy this collection that way 100% of your proceeds, not just a portion, go to bringing justice to the suffering in Juarez.
I don't know about anyone else but I can't ever wear that nailpolish, without thinking of a dead 12 year old maquiladora worker laying naked on the side of a road, with her nipple bitten off .
MAC's is a standard cover-their-ass statement whatever and it does not change my opinion on them about choosing to do this collection in the first place but i still have a VERY big problem with the statement coming out of the rodarte camp. The ethereal nature of this landscape .... really? because it's pretty damn real to the people suffering in that landscape.
oh and for all of you people still saying to "calm down" you realize you're most likely saying it to mexican-americans who's brothers and sisters are affected by this right?
I understand all the wondering what MAC was thinking, but I don't believe that any company would purposely put themselves in the firing line like this. Why would they want to lose the business? I still think it was almost an advocacy vote. I think that while it may not be in very good taste, I think it has prompted discussions like this all over the world - and what better way to bring a social injustice like this to the forefront of our minds. I said this on temptalia.com as well, and I'm bringing it over here. I'm wondering what people think a better approach to this would have been? Let's just say, hypothetically speaking, that this really was an attempt to bring a very sensitive but not well-know subject out into the open for people to discuss. What options does the fashion industry have other than taking a truly horrible subject and making it beautiful? that's their job! Maybe someone at MAC thought wow, guys - we really need to get this information out there! This is a horrible injustice and people need to know it's going on? what can we do? I think it was clever and needed to have a collection based on this issue purely to bring it to the attention of people who otherwise may not have known anything about it. While I agree that some of the names are not really the most tasteful, I think we should use it as a teaching opportunity to spread more information. No more judgment - just learn from it and from those out there that know a lot about it.
don't believe that any company would purposely put themselves in the firing line like this. Why would they want to lose the business?
^ Totally agree.
Also, we don't know the reason Rodarte created this collection or why MAC teamed up with them to make a cosmetics line, so I wish people would stop speculating and jumping to the worst conclusion possible and saying they're taking advantage of those who have suffered in Juarez. That just seems like a stretch to me.
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After reading comments on here and on other sites and seeing why people feel the way they do about the collection (again I can't form my opinion because i still feel i don't know enough about the entire thing) I am glad to see they will be donating a portion of profits to help
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I have always been impressed w/ MAC's sense of community and social responsiblity - with their recylcing program as well as Viva Glam. I am happy that they are donating part of the profits to this cause as well.
While I can see both sides of the issue, I still find the thought process behind this collection off putting; plus, I so dislike that promo picture. :D
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Because honestly, if such a big deal was not made, would MAC be donating money? I'd like to think the answer is no. Simply because they knew exactly the inspiration behind the collection before they did the collaboration and they had to know the history of it all.
Now had they come out up front and said that from the beginning they intended to donate the proceeds of this collection to help awareness or whatever on this situation, then yes, that would be sincere. But that was never their intention. They never said this collection was to raise awareness or try to help the situation, or anything. They plain put out a collection said by the designers themselves to be inspired by the violence. Or am I the only one who read this,'We are truly saddened about injustice in Juarez and it is a very important issue to us. The M·A·C collaboration was intended as a celebration of the beauty of the landscape and people in the areas that we traveled.'
For those of you who argued that it's a collection to celebrate the colors of Mexico, you keep on believing that if you want. But the fact is, Mexico is huge and to celebrate it's colors, why not choose more festive, more well known and beautiful places like, I don't know, say Guadalajara, Acapulco, etc. But if that's what you believe, I'm not here to argue with you, so just keep on truckin' I guess.
And I swear, I've been trying to stay out of these conversations, so this will be my last statement. Really!
To anyone who was/is offended by this collection's lack of taste, good for you.
And to anyone who thinks that people taking it harshly are just getting their panties in a twist, good for you, too.
I'm not here to judge anyone for feeling or thinking a certain way. But I do find it offensive when discussion turns into, OMG you're wrong, or OMG you're so dumb, etc.
I feel a certain way and don't expect anyone else to agree. The same way I don't expect to change anyone else's mind. I don't think any more or any less about anyone who chooses to voice their opinions, be it in contradiction to mine or not. That's what makes this country so great, isn't it?
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Rodarte's, however, is seriously puzzling and seems to be answering a totally different question. "Uhh, we went on this road trip in Texas that really inspired us, so we decided to make a collection about Mexico"?? TEXAS =/= MEXICO, dudes. Weird.
Plus it's the most hideous, unfitting promo pic ever for a MAC collection.
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No kidding about the promo pic, though. I know a lot of MAC's promo pic's are not "wearable" makeup (things you would go out every day in) but it was just such an... unsettling picture (which appears to be straight off the runway of the Rodarte clothing show)
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While I sympathize, people take it WAY out of proportion. If they had things named after murdered women, different story.
But until then.
I still want a couple thing, thx.
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Honestly, who believes anyone would do anything like this for a negative/offensive goal? It may have not been the most well thought out, or the most politically correct way to show their feelings towards a heated problem, but what everyone doesn't realize is how much attention they have encouraged to bring this injustice to light.
Unfortunately today, screaming at the top of your lungs that something is wrong or needs to be fixed does little to actually fix a problem. Just reading the comments on Temptalia and the comments here, you are all now informed of a wrong doing going on that you would have otherwise never known.
The group I fight for had very little support at the beginning. A political official made a negative comment towards our organization that cause outrage and hatred from some of our members. Little did they know that over the next few months, we'd see more support (emotional, mental AND financial), then we'd ever see in the entire group's existence. At the time it seemed like the biggest blow, biggest insult ever, but what most people don't know is it was the biggest blessing in disguise because it made our voices and our cause that much louder.
Sometimes you need to outrage and offend people to get them motivated to do the right thing. Now whether that was either of their motives..that's a different story.
For all those claiming they won't support or will ban the collection, I hope all the money you don't give MAC goes towards supporting those people affected, otherwise your actions are meaningless.
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The way I feel is that they're not doing any injustice to the people who have suffered in Juarez by naming a nailpolish after the city. Yes, I do think MAC is donating part of the proceeds now to cover their asses, but a good deed is a good deed. It doesn't seem like there was any harm meant in it.
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I don't know about anyone else but I can't ever wear that nailpolish, without thinking of a dead 12 year old maquiladora worker laying naked on the side of a road, with her nipple bitten off .
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oh and for all of you people still saying to "calm down" you realize you're most likely saying it to mexican-americans who's brothers and sisters are affected by this right?
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I said this on temptalia.com as well, and I'm bringing it over here. I'm wondering what people think a better approach to this would have been? Let's just say, hypothetically speaking, that this really was an attempt to bring a very sensitive but not well-know subject out into the open for people to discuss. What options does the fashion industry have other than taking a truly horrible subject and making it beautiful? that's their job! Maybe someone at MAC thought wow, guys - we really need to get this information out there! This is a horrible injustice and people need to know it's going on? what can we do? I think it was clever and needed to have a collection based on this issue purely to bring it to the attention of people who otherwise may not have known anything about it. While I agree that some of the names are not really the most tasteful, I think we should use it as a teaching opportunity to spread more information. No more judgment - just learn from it and from those out there that know a lot about it.
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^ Totally agree.
Also, we don't know the reason Rodarte created this collection or why MAC teamed up with them to make a cosmetics line, so I wish people would stop speculating and jumping to the worst conclusion possible and saying they're taking advantage of those who have suffered in Juarez. That just seems like a stretch to me.
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